Well first up, it looks like its a 2012, not a 2011, hence the colour combo is this, not the one I post previously. I think I like it more.
Yes, I have seen photos of the actual bike, I was just confused as I had remembered the year as 2011, but all the images like this are of a 2012.
And a date has been set. The other rider is trailering her bike to Sydney from Canberra shortly after Christmas. We can then check out each other’s bikes and test ride. And I’m hoping, to take the Daytona back home with her. Certainly I am getting more excited about the changeover. It’s basically a brand new bike (that I don’t need to run in!)
Ever since my VFR (was viciously murdered) crash with the roo, I’ve been trying to figure out what to do. Mrs Mab was very clear that the Daytona would have to go before any changes (she wasn’t going to fall into my previous trick of adding the Daytona, then not being able to sell the VFR). But part of the problem has been what bike to get.
The obvious choice was either a new VFR or a 6th gen, like my old one, second hand. There are less what I would call sports tourers around these days, and very few manufacturers actually making bikes in this group. I knew some of the things I didn’t really want. I didn’t want an adventure bike, or those sort of adventure tourers (you know, with road tyres, but longer suspension). I understand the VFR has just been quietly halted as well.
So one of the other bikes I looked at is the Ninja 1000sx. I test rode one a while back here. And thought it was good, except the seat was a bit uncomfortable. I test rode one again recently, this second hand one had a gel seat, which seemed pretty good. This one also seemed to have a quick shift, it had louder pipes, a top box, a gear indicator and the gel seats. It also had 60,000km and even then was probably out of my price range.
The other day at work a colleague in Canberra put a for swap ad (in the bike sales board online). They had a 2011 Ninja 1000 with 2500km that they had bought second hand. They were after something smaller and lighter (well actually they wrote shorter). I offered my Daytona, and after some back and forth and her searching for one to sit on to test, it looks like I am going to swap the Daytona for the Ninja.
She’s never ridden the Ninja as far as I can tell. She’s sat on it and worried that it’s too big and heavy for her. I don’t even know why she bought it, as she normally had a string of Ducati sports bikes (and apparently a Bimota at one stage), its not like her at all. Very odd, but possibly turns out well for me.
On the negatives, it is a 2011, so no LED headlights. The 2011 also misses out on the 6 axis something something traction control/ABS, but it does have ABS. I think I can live with that, the VFR had nothing and the Daytona only has ABS. The seat is the main thing that worries me, but I’m kinda hoping that a used one will be “broken in” a bit and not as tough as the brand new one I test rode. I could also get a replacement seat. Doesn’t appear to have a centre stand either, which is annoying, but I have a stand already so no biggie.
The 2500km is both a positive and a negative. Its not a lot of km, so there is heaps left for me. I understand its a fairly trouble free engine good for many km. It will also be my first inline 4 and my first litre bike! The worry is the age of the tyres and fluids, but I know the owner has had it serviced recently. It also bodes well for the overall condition of the bike and I’m sure that she has been storing it carefully. Much more carefully than my ridden every day Daytona.
The positives is that I get a more upright bike, with longer range (more like 300km, than 200km) and better carrying capacity. She doesn’t have any luggage for it, so I will have to get a top box. Probably Givi as the factory kits don’t let you fit top box AND panniers, but Givi’s set up does. I’ll start with the top box though and in the interim I still have the Kriega bags. This will suit me better as I may have more travel coming up, and and I can go back to commuting with a top box (so can carry more, it stays out of the weather and you have somewhere to put the helmet when you’re parked). And the bike should be more comfortable for the Mrs (as well as space for her shopping). It’s actually much easier to manoeuvre at slow speed due to the tall position and high clip ons.
But I do suffer from that whole – I don’t like to get rid of my things – problem. I love riding the Daytona, but I do wish I had a more VFR kind of bike as well. This is easily the cheapest way to get back into sports tourers that I have come across and I’m sure the bike will be excellent.
No not turtles. Oh that reminds me – I do have to sit through the latest one.
I test rode the Ninja 1000sx this afternoon. I really wanted to like it, it was smooth, plenty of power. Nice seating position and I can’t see it struggling with full panniers or two up. Brakes seemed good too.
But I found that the seat had two creases that I found quite uncomfortable after only a few short minutes. Even after I got off the bike I still was a bit uncomfortable for at least a half an hour. That really made it hard to like the bike.
The VFR moves back to the top of the list and I’m considering that the newer one is the better choice. Revised and refreshed with some better technology. And available at some reasonable prices second hand.
Commuting home on the Daytona the other day I finally decided that it was no longer the bike for me.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a fantastic bike. And I’m still super happy to have decided that my experiment into the sportbike world was on such a sweet machine. Its performance is amazing, handling is fantastic. It’s actually pretty easy to ride every day even in traffic. And I have travelled some distance on it.
It is the decision two years in the making, ever since the roo jumped onto the Hume and laid down my VFR. I didn’t enjoy the track day, I don’t have time or the real interest in putting effort (time, money and stress) into track day schools. I have also decided that I don’t really like heading out to the same road and just repeating it over and over.
I want to head out for a couple of hours (or days or weeks) and explore. Heck, this even sounds like my WoW interests, lol. The Daytona doesn’t really lend itself to that. I’m not out there wanting to shave seconds off time, I’m happy cruising along at the speed limit(ish) and eating miles looking around. A topbox would be great for work commute.
So I’m heading back to the Sports Tourer world
But no idea how I’m going to pay for it.
Sell the Daytona is the first step.
That should give me enough money to get a good condition VFR800, say 2010 or so. A known bike I would be content with.
So what else?
Well the new VFR seems an obvious choice. I have decided to loosen up my personal restriction and investigate the over 1000cc bikes. Otherwise, there basically isn’t anything to choose from that isn’t choked by Learner Approved restrictions. I may also consider the strongly road orientated “adventure” bikes, this opens it up somewhat too. I would like at least a windscreen (so no nakeds please!) and hope for factory panniers/topbox. LED headlights are a big plus having experienced that in my car now. The difference between normal halogen and LEDs is massive! Maybe I would have seen that roo???
So my list currently has
Honda VFR800 – Newer than my old one. Has LED Lights, same sweet engine and similar ergonomics. Almost a known factor, can get second hand too. Panniers/topbox, tick.
Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX – I step up to 1000cc. Plenty of power. LED lights, ABS, traction control. Panniers OR topbox, not both at same time.
Triumph Tiger Sport – LED lights, ABS, traction control. I presume options for topbox, panniers. More adventure tourer than sports tourer. 1000cc triple (triples are sweet). Heated grips etc etc.
Yamaha MT-09 Tracer. – LED lights, ABS, traction control. I presume options for topbox, panniers. More adventure tourer than sports tourer. 900cc triple (triples are sweet). Heated grips etc etc.
All four of those are improvements on the version before. Better suspension or better tuned engines, improved seating or some such. Ninja, VFR and Tracer should be available in good second hand versions, without some of the newer bits and pieces (LED lights mostly).
I can’t really think of any others. Possibles might include Suzuki GSX1000F (though it’s pretty ugly). Ducati Multistrada 950.
I’ve put the Daytona up for sale at work. I’ve tested a 2017 VFR800, and plan to test the Ninja on Friday. I think thats the strongest alternate to the two VFRs.